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(This is my original post to the Ethical or not question…I'm sorry if this is becoming hard to follow but i'm pretty much attacking on all levels so this found below is my response to the teacher's question and then what people wrote in response)

MY POST:

"Share with your peers: Ethical or Unethical. Why or why not? Calling in sick when you really are not. Trying to flirt your way out of a speeding ticket. Making a hard copy of a DVD before returning in to the store. Taking home office supplies."

Something tells me I will get some very holy replies to my thoughts on this judging from previous posts. 

 I've only been in the military so I can't relate to sick days b/c when we get sick if you HAVE to be at work you go in unless you're put on quarters and seeing as no one wants you there usually someone says "you're disgusting. go home…" so you usually end up at home…but from what i understand you have so many sick days and i personally think that those are your days so if you want to risk wasting one of them when you're not really sick then go for it…

 I can't flirt my way out of a paper bag but i do keep my military ID on top of my driver's license in the hope that the officer might let me go in some patriotic gesture.  Also my Dad is a police officer and I would mention his name to get out of tickets… so i can't say that i'm that much better than some one more capable of flirting or who at least doesn't find it whore-ish.  I'll add that i've only been pulled over twice in 13yrs. 

  I haven't rented a DVD in years but while deployed people purchase pirated movies and tv shows for next to nothing and then they're shared…i've never purchased any b/c honestly the bizarre creeps me out and i usually just buy seasons of shows from amazon and while not on the up and up i don't care if people don't go pay more for a dvd just b/c i do…

Everyone takes home office supplies.  If the Air Force can waste millions on the Academy, PME, forced degrees, the bands, ugly uniforms they're just going to change in a year, etc I really don't think everyone stealing a pen once every few months is going to break them.  There's levels of office supplies…not really a blanket answer.

Kathi M. says

"Calling in sick when you're not sick can get you some really bad karma.  I think people should not use sick days when they aren't sick for several reasons, one of which is you can never predict when you will have a serious illness or injury and need the sick days.  I can relate to what you wrote about your military ID on top of your ID. My brother was a cop and kept his ID on top of his license when traveling so he could get a "professional courtesy" if pulled over.  One time, even that didn't help him!  Ethics is something you are taught over your lifetime and are ingrained into your personality."

Tammy L responds to Kathi M's judgment:

"Your response is quite interesting! I think calling in sick when you are not isn't as easily explained as you did. I have two young children and a husband and last year we took a family vacation in the summer that used all but one of my vacation days. In the fall our heat pump went out and my husband was out of town so I took a vacation day to meet the tech there. He diagnosed the issue but had to come back to install it and that took an entire day (I had to "call in sick" since I didn't have any vacation days left). I did ensure that all of my work was current, that I brough my laptop home so I could check emails and voicemails regulary and I worked late the following day to complete anything that was pressing. Do you think this was unethical and I will get bad karma? I sure hope not because my girls were freezing with no heat and I had no where else to turn! (We relocated and have no family around to call on either!)"

Kathi M backpedals: 

"Tammy, I don't think it was unethical to prevent your girls from freezing without heat!  That was a smart, preventative, proactive move!  There are always gray areas.  Things are not cut and dry.  You weren't trying to take advantage of the system.  You did more than many would have by ensuring your work stayed caught up.  Hope you are enjoying the heat now!  We sure are!"

Tammy L isn't falling for it but women pretending to be friendly is so fun!:

"Enjoying the heat is an overstatement! I am glad I wasn't being unethical - futher proof that ethics aren't black and white, there are definitely shades of gray!"

MY RESPONSE TO TAMMY L B/C I THINK IT'S MORE FUN TO JUST SAY IT:

"I like that everything is in fact black and white and most people point out the evils of using your own sick days how you see fit until a person points out a situation where they did and then "oh uh well obviously not you…ya know bad people…." If you had been a nameless  example it would have been pointed out that you shouldn't have taken so many vacation days for your vacation blah blah blah…. I love awkward…even reading it.. so thank you for "i'm glad i wasn't being unethical"

THESE POSTS ARE THE ONLY THING KEEPING ME FROM FIREBOMBING THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS 

THE SECOND SET OF POSTS THIS WEEK:

TOPIC: If you had entered into a joint venture with a foreign company but knew that women were not treated fairly in that culture, would you consider sending a female expatriate to handle the start-up? Why or why not?

MY RESPONSE:

No way!  Why would you? This is supposed to be a business venture and the point is to make money which isn't going to be possible when you send a woman who no one that she needs to work with or persuade is going to listen to.  A country where women are seen as second class citizens is not the same as a woman trying to be taken seriously in a male dominated profession in the states and this isn't a movie where some sassy lady is gonna win them over with her intelligence and personality.  They won't acknowledge her as a person and the venture is going to fail unless the men there are capable of knowing exactly what to do on their own with no help from her.  Not likely.  

A FEW OF MY CLASSMATES HAVE WRITTEN AND SAID THEY AGREE YAY VAGINAS AND BOO HODJ/MOOJ…BUT THEN…

Tammy L (i don't know why she's saying she just agrees w/ Kathi b/c Kathi just agreed w/ me in such a boring way i'm not even bothering putting it on here):

"Kathi,
You make a good point about the woman not being taken seriously. I think it is important not to judge our societal norms against those of another country. A question that immediately came to my mind when it said women are treated unfairly was, by who's definition? I know we are share some common definitions of fair and unfair, but in some countries that is their norm. I don't believe I would send a female either unless there was a movement for the liberation of the treatment of women and I had something to gain from a potential workforce."

SERIOUSLY? IS THIS DUMB TWAT REALLY SAYING WE SHOULDN'T JUDGE OTHER CULTURES IN REGARDS TO HOW THEY TREAT WOMEN? MY MOTRIN IS KICKING IN…SHE IS LUCKY…I'M GOING TO ASK IF THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING…IF IT IS THEN I'M GOING TO TELL HER HER HUSBAND NEEDS TO PUT HER BACK IN THE KITCHEN AND KEEP HER AWAY FROM BAD INFLUENCES LIKE THIS "EDUCATION" (FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME WITH BETTER RESPONSES…IT'S LATE)

MY RESPONSE IN HOPES FOR A REACTION:

'" I think it is important not to judge our societal norms against those of another country. A question that immediately came to my mind when it said women are treated unfairly was, by who's definition? I know we are share some common definitions of fair and unfair, but in some countries that is their norm."

I just want to make sure I understand that you're saying that you think we shouldn't judge other cultures for their treatment of women…"